The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 11.0349  Thursday, 17 February 2000.

From:           John Briggs <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Thursday, 17 Feb 2000 08:31:09 -0000
Subject: 11.0333 Desperately seeking an armorial device
Comment:        RE: SHK 11.0333 Desperately seeking an armorial device

Sean: It's the Russell family, now Dukes of Bedford.

How late is "early modern": 1700?  Any family which didn't go back that
far would be distinctly "nouveau"!

The Spencer family made their money from sheep farming (C15/C16).  When
they first arrived in the House of Lords (early C17) the Duke of Norfolk
sniffily observed that his family had been in the House of Lords when
Spencer's were tending sheep.  To which Lord Spencer replied, not
unreasonably, that when his family had been tending sheep, Norfolk's had
been plotting treason...

> I could find families, but none with early modern connections, at
> least not that I could find.

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