The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 14.2210 Thursday, 20 November 2003
[1] From: Edward Pixley <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Wednesday, 19 Nov 2003 08:56:04 -0500
Subj: Re: SHK 14.2202 Helena Bonham Carter's Ophelia
[2] From: D Bloom <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Wednesday, 19 Nov 2003 10:05:18 -0600
Subj: RE: SHK 14.2202 Helena Bonham Carter's Ophelia
[3] From: Jay Feldman <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Wednesday, 19 Nov 2003 11:28:34 EST
Subj: Re: SHK 14.2202 Helena Bonham Carter's Ophelia
[4] From: Debra Murphy <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Wednesday, 19 Nov 2003 19:00:30 -0800
Subj: Re: SHK 14.2202 Helena Bonham Carter's Ophelia
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From: Edward Pixley <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Wednesday, 19 Nov 2003 08:56:04 -0500
Subject: 14.2202 Helena Bonham Carter's Ophelia
Comment: Re: SHK 14.2202 Helena Bonham Carter's Ophelia
Unfortunately, I haven't watched the film in over ten years and simply
don't remember those details. I do have access to a videotape of the
film, and, as soon as I get a chance, I'll review it and try to provide
you with more details. Don't expect this anytime soon, but I'll save
your e-mail address so that I can get back to you -- probably after
Christmas. It really is an amazing and irreverent movie, filmed in an
abandoned Nobel dynamite factory.
Ed Pixley
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From: D Bloom <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Wednesday, 19 Nov 2003 10:05:18 -0600
Subject: 14.2202 Helena Bonham Carter's Ophelia
Comment: RE: SHK 14.2202 Helena Bonham Carter's Ophelia
Dana Wilson quotes me
>Bonham Carter said. The line is "Where is the
>beautious maiestie." I was
>so startled I actually went to the trouble of
>looking it up to see if my
>memory might have been mistook.
--and then responds:
>Don,
>
>I think this is a tacky point. If I ask you "Where is X?", there is a
>strong presumption that I can't see X. If I happen to be staring you
>down at the time, you can pretty well conclude, I don't identify you
>with X.
>
>My point was that HPB could have played this scene as a prelude to the
>mad scene and stared off into the vacant space as if she knew Gert to be
>queen, and could not see the queen, and I feel this would be a valid
>reading of part based on the imaginated flowers of the mad scene (which
>incidentally are ghosts the audience can't see as opposed to the ghost
>of Hamlet's father which they can see.)"
Tacky?
Oh well, there seem to be more vacant spaces here than those caused by
imaginated flowers and unseen ghosts.
Tacky?
don
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From: Jay Feldman <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Wednesday, 19 Nov 2003 11:28:34 EST
Subject: 14.2202 Helena Bonham Carter's Ophelia
Comment: Re: SHK 14.2202 Helena Bonham Carter's Ophelia
Dana Wilson makes the point that:
HPB could have played this scene as a prelude to the mad scene and
stared off
>into the vacant space as if she knew Gert to be
>queen, and could not see the queen, and I feel this would be a
>valid
>reading of part based on the imaginated flowers of the mad scene
>(which
>incidentally are ghosts the audience can't see as opposed to the
>ghost
>of Hamlet's father which they can see.)
Just curious to know if you have textual or other reasons to believe the
flowers presented by Ophelia are imagined or ghostlike?
Jay Feldman
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From: Debra Murphy <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Wednesday, 19 Nov 2003 19:00:30 -0800
Subject: 14.2202 Helena Bonham Carter's Ophelia
Comment: Re: SHK 14.2202 Helena Bonham Carter's Ophelia
There was much to like, I thought, about HBC's Ophelia, but I couldn't
help but feel that her occasional open defiance--a nod to modern
feminism, perhaps?--didn't really work with either the dialogue or
Ophelia's later madness. To my way of thinking, a daughter who had that
much spunk wouldn't have proved quite so fragile.
Debra Murphy
http://www.bardolatry.com
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