The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 15.0590 Wednesday, 3 March 2004
[1] From: Jack Heller <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Tuesday, 2 Mar 2004 08:49:43 -0500 (EST)
Subj: Thought on St. David's Day
[2] From: Sean Lawrence <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Tuesday, 2 Mar 2004 08:32:48 -0800
Subj: RE: SHK 15.0581 A Thought for St. David's Day
[3] From: W.L. Godshalk <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Tuesday, 02 Mar 2004 13:46:42 -0500
Subj: Re: SHK 15.0581 A Thought for St. David's Day
[4] From: David Evett <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Tuesday, 2 Mar 2004 17:52:34 -0500
Subj: Re: SHK 15.0581 A Thought for St. David's Day
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From: Jack Heller <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Tuesday, 2 Mar 2004 08:49:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Thought on St. David's Day
Perhaps Henry V is only the successful (according to his own goals)
counterpart to Coriolanus.
Jack Heller
Huntington College
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From: Sean Lawrence <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Tuesday, 2 Mar 2004 08:32:48 -0800
Subject: 15.0581 A Thought for St. David's Day
Comment: RE: SHK 15.0581 A Thought for St. David's Day
The possibility that the designation "Welsh" carried "an unmistakable
whiff of potential disorder" should be extended from the Henriad to
Richard III, where Richard refers to Richmond as "the Welshman" (in
4.4). While this clearly shows Richard associating the designation
"Welsh" with potential disorder, it's a disorder that we, as audience,
are expected to approve of.
Henry's self-designation as "Welsh" would seem, then, to align him with
the later house of Tudor, and incorporate their rebellion like his
father's into a rule that's legitimated.
By the way, why is Fluellen "chilling"? Because he's given to
malapropism? Because he wants to defend the peasantry against a
parasitic soldiery? And why is Falstaff Welsh? Was either Oldcastle or
Fastolf Welsh? And should we care if they were?
Cheers,
Sean.
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From: W.L. Godshalk <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Tuesday, 02 Mar 2004 13:46:42 -0500
Subject: 15.0581 A Thought for St. David's Day
Comment: Re: SHK 15.0581 A Thought for St. David's Day
>Isn't it time to embrace the full implications of the likelihood that
>the designation 'Welsh' carried, in an English context in the early
>modern period, an unmistakable whiff of potential disorder?
ask Terence Hawkes.
Perhaps some of the English smelled the whiff of potential disorder, but
others report the whiff of ripe cheese in the presence of the Welsh. So
many men, so many noses.
I am also gratiful to learn of "Falstaff's barely palpable 'Welshness.'
" Truly a concept to exercise the brains of my students.
Bill Godshalk
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From: David Evett <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Tuesday, 2 Mar 2004 17:52:34 -0500
Subject: 15.0581 A Thought for St. David's Day
Comment: Re: SHK 15.0581 A Thought for St. David's Day
All us Dafydds like to think (in those intervals when we are not busy
turning our leeks into soup - pretty foolish to let a perfectly good
leek go to waste) that we share with Henry V a gift (or curse?), which
may indeed be Welsh, for being sometimes very serious and as it were
Methodical about things, including especially a disinclination to have
our capabilities and worth determined by others on the basis of
prejudice or root-sense partiality, and then able to swing almost at
once into persiflagitious mirth.
Davidically,
David Evett
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