The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 17.0276  Tuesday, 4 April 2006

From: 		Jeffrey Jordan <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: 		Monday, 3 Apr 2006 15:37:41 -0500
Subject: 17.0267 Let's Keep Messages to An Individual Private 
Comment: 	Re: SHK 17.0267 Let's Keep Messages to An Individual Private 
and Offlist

Responding to Bob G's comments.

 >My first impression is that you're just repeating yourself,
 >and mostly not seeming to grasp my arguments.

I grasp your arguments, but I don't find them persuasive.  Do you grasp 
my arguments?  The second person who went to Chettle was more credibly 
Lyly than S, because it was 1592, and because of the description Chettle 
provided in KH.  It fits Lyly quite well, but doesn't fit anything known 
about S at that time.

 >You did clear up one misunderstanding of mine--you are saying
 >Lyly was offended by being associated with the wrong crowd,
 >and/or with a playwright Greene called an atheist (but there's
 >good reason to believe Greene also called Marlowe a homosexual,
 >which was the part of the Groatsworth Chettle deleted as editor
 >before publication).

Um, yes and no.  I'll try to clarify.  I'm not saying Lyly was 
personally insulted, at all, by what Greene wrote.  Rather, it gave him 
a social/political problem of being associated with alleged atheists, in 
print, in Elizabethan England.  That led Lyly to approach Chettle, 
hoping for a way to get a retraction, in print, but it wasn't possible 
because Greene was dead.  Chettle did apologize; however, it was not for 
any personal insult to Lyly, but rather for  printing GW, including the 
letter part which caused the problem.  It isn't only personal insults 
that can call for an apology.

Where do you find in GW any indication that Greene called Marlowe a 

What Chettle deleted from the letter part of GW was most reasonably in 
the part to Nashe.  For one thing, despite the statement of affection 
with which that part begins, it's surprisingly short, and generally 
impersonal.  If one looks in that part, carefully, it's quite odd. 
Right in the middle of the part to Nashe is a legal definition of 
defamation, just plopped in.  Greene was not Nashe's solicitor, or 
anything of the kind.  What has most likely happened there, is that 
Greene, writing to Nashe, wrote something objectionably personal about 
somebody, (Gabriel Harvey would be an  easy guess,) and Chettle deleted 
it, and replaced it with the "legal  advice," written in a literary style.

It does support that Chettle was telling the truth in KH, when he said 
he "took something out" of the letter part of GW.  That further supports 
Chettle was telling the truth, that Greene wrote GW.

S H A K S P E R: The Global Shakespeare Discussion List
Hardy M. Cook, This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
The S H A K S P E R Web Site <http://www.shaksper.net>

DISCLAIMER: Although SHAKSPER is a moderated discussion list, the 
opinions expressed on it are the sole property of the poster, and the 
editor assumes no responsibility for them.

Subscribe to Our Feeds


Make a Gift to SHAKSPER

Consider making a gift to support SHAKSPER.