The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 18.0044 Friday, 19 January 2007
[1] From: Peter Bridgman <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Thursday, 18 Jan 2007 16:56:42 -0000
Subj: Re: SHK 18.0039 Globe-ness
[2] From: Ted Nellen <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Thursday, 18 Jan 2007 11:14:25 -0600 (CST)
Subj: Re: SHK 18.0042 Globe-ness
[3] From: Will Sharpe <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Thursday, 18 Jan 2007 17:59:17 +0000
Subj: RE: SHK 18.0039 Globe-ness
[4] From: Ruth Ross <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Thursday, 18 Jan 2007 17:16:24 -0500
Subj: RE: SHK 18.0039 Globe-ness
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From: Peter Bridgman <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Thursday, 18 Jan 2007 16:56:42 -0000
Subject: 18.0039 Globe-ness
Comment: Re: SHK 18.0039 Globe-ness
John Drakakis writes ...
>And another thing...the Globe won't burn (like the original)!
>There are no orange sellers, prostitutes, or pickpockets!
>And everybody washes before they go to the theatre!
I dunno. I've seen the odd prozzie there.
And some of us take great pains to besmear and besmirch our
>breeches with badger ordure before visiting the place. Or
>maybe use a ripe stilton as an underarm roll-on.
>It's a Disneyfication of Shakespeare ...
No it isn't. It's a brave and magical attempt to recreate the
Shakespearean stage. It is one of the great things about London.
Peter Bridgman
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From: Ted Nellen <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Thursday, 18 Jan 2007 11:14:25 -0600 (CST)
Subject: 18.0042 Globe-ness
Comment: Re: SHK 18.0042 Globe-ness
I have missed this fun thread. Upon a recent visit to London, I went to
the Globe replica and was on a most enlightening tour, given by a young
man who has been involved with this project from the beginning. In fact
I was studying in Stratford the summer they began the sonar readings of
the original Globe. So returning recently to see the Globe was a full
circle. I was very impressed with the whole place and much of the
explanation about it. For one, they have the only thatched roof in
London and it took an American to make this happen. Fire ordnances
prevent a thatched roof, but not on the new Globe. There are fire
sprinklers in it to prevent major disaster, but it could burn down.
Second, the explanation of why only 1500 instead of 3000 people made
perfect sense and is very civilized. Thirdly, the floor was experimented
with and eventually ended up as cement for logical and sensible reasons.
Other than those tweaks, the place is as close to real as we could get.
Then again there is no one who could contend this anyway, so discussion
of it is moot. As for me, I was thrilled to be there and to see how
closely the new Globe lives up to my expectations from my own research.
The Swan is delightful, but the new Globe is fantastic.
Ted Nellen
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From: Will Sharpe <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Thursday, 18 Jan 2007 17:59:17 +0000
Subject: 18.0039 Globe-ness
Comment: RE: SHK 18.0039 Globe-ness
I wholeheartedly support Gabriel Egan's retort to Carol Barton's
scattergun attempt at cultural criticism. When she says:
>. . . if you're going to bother to recreate the bloody
>thing . . . why not do it as accurately as you can?
Gabriel Egan's response:
>If that means destroying a Georgian terrace to put up a replica
>of what was previously on the site, >almost everyone involved
>in the scholarship of old buildings-indeed almost everyone at
>all-would rightly oppose the plan.
is exactly right. If Barton is suggesting that 'doing it properly' means
putting it where it was, or leveling Southwark and returning it to a
largely rural outskirt of London in order to recreate the original
environment, then Gabriel Egan's comment can be seen as fair and
entirely without sarcasm. If, however, 'doing it properly' insinuates
that the current reconstruction is inaccurate, that must mean that
either Barton has a theory about the physical structure of the original
Globe which I would implore her to share for the sake of the furtherance
of our scholarly understanding, or it simply means (as I think Egan is
suggesting) that she assumes it must all be phoney as there's nothing
special under the sun.
>It was funny, to see the number of bewildered people wandering
>around Southwark, looking for wattle and daub where only red
>brick was visible to the pedestrian eye.
Perhaps this might be a neat segue into the upcoming discussion on
'presentism': we can attempt to reconstruct a historical building on
more or less the same site that it originally stood, but we can't get
rid of the 18th/19th/20th-century buildings that, for one reason or
another, are there now. But does it mean that because direct communion
with the past is unavailable to us we should give up our interests in
researching it altogether?
Whatever you want to say about the Globe, it is an exciting attempt (and
I stress the word 'attempt' as the Globe, as far as I'm aware, doesn't
purport itself to be a perfect reconstruction), executed with truly fine
craftsmanship, to bring to life something that has received enormous
amounts of interest from all sorts of people (and, God forbid, some
entertainment and enjoyment for its visitors). If they could just get a
few decent shows on the boards and arrange for Heathrow airport to close
down during performances I'd be a bit happier about going there, but
that's scarcely important and is an entirely different debate altogether.
Will Sharpe
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From: Ruth Ross <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Thursday, 18 Jan 2007 17:16:24 -0500
Subject: 18.0039 Globe-ness
Comment: RE: SHK 18.0039 Globe-ness
Addressing Carol Barton's charge that the new Globe is not historically
accurate, I recall that the current stage configuration is different
from the design in the original replica. The columns holding up the
"heavens" canopy are different (thicker, I think) and there have been
some other modifications to make the stage more historically accurate.
As the archaeologists discover more about the original Globe Theatre, I
assume they will make modifications in the reproduction. I find that
refreshing.
Ruth Ross
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