2000

Book Recommendation

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 11.0927  Friday, 28 April 2000.

From:           Yvonne Bruce <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Friday, 28 Apr 2000 08:12:11 -0400
Subject:        Book Recommendation

Perhaps of interest to all those SHAKSPEReans who are curious about the
English Renaissance reconciliation of Christianity, political authority,
and private revenge: Geoffrey Aggeler's latest, <'Nobler in the Mind:
The Stoic-Skeptic Dialiectic in Eng. Ren. Tragedy>. Within the purpose
of this book (philosophical and ethical systems of the E.R., natch),
Aggeler takes up the revenge tragedy and its relationship to political
and religious thought. For example, "Though Aristotelian <megalopsychia>
is the antithesis of self-denying Christian humility, Christian writers
could find support in Aristotle for the view that maintaining one's
reputation is a moral imperative" (49-50).

There's more, of course; I just put in that snippet to tease you. I
recommend the book (see chapter 2 in particular for a discussion of the
morality of revenge) highly. It's very meaty stuff, even if Aggeler's
thesis isn't easily digested.

Yvonne Bruce

Re: Davenent's Redaction

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 11.0926  Friday, 28 April 2000.

From:           Peter Holland <ADw-P.D.HOLLAND+AEA-bham.ac.uk+AD4>
Date:           Friday, 28 Apr 2000 11:02:23
Subject: 11.0918 Davenent's Redaction of MM and ADO
Comment:        Re: SHK 11.0918 Davenent's Redaction of MM and ADO

Of course this posting cannot compete with news of the probable US
premiere of 'The Law Against Lovers' but the play was performed to great
acclaim in Stratford-upon-Avon in March by the Shakespeare Institute
Players. We'll claim it as the first modern revival unless someone has
other information.

Peter Holland

King Lear Source

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 11.0924  Friday, 28 April 2000.

From:           Tiffany Rasovic <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Thursday 27 Apr 2000 11:40:38 -0400
Subject:        King Lear Source

Hello...

Wondering-as I get lost in cyber-space searches-if anyone knows where I
can find an online text of the "source" or earlier version of Lear-that
is, King Leir?  Or indeed any other of the sources--(I have the Harsnett
Popish Impostures).

'Ta,
TR

RE: Shakespeare's Skum Night

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 11.0925  Friday, 28 April 2000.

From:           Jeffrey Myers <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Thursday 27 Apr 2000 13:01:30 -0400
Subject:        RE: Shakespeare's Skum Night @ Center Stage's Macbeth

>Immediately following the "real"
>production of Macbeth, patrons may proceed to Center's Stage's
>cabaret/bar to enjoy Skum's wacky "Macbeth in 20 Minutes or Less."

I suggest you skip the former and proceed directly to the latter.

Jeff Myers

Re: Revenge

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 11.0923  Friday, 28 April 2000.

[1]     From:   Jim Lusardi <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Thursday, 27 Apr 2000 10:55:40 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 11.0916 Re: Revenge

[2]     From:   Sean Lawrence <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Thursday, 27 Apr 2000 09:36:02 -0700
        Subj:   Re: SHK 11.0916 Re: Revenge

[3]     From:   David Evett <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Thursday, 27 Apr 2000 13:53:46 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 11.0916 Re: Revenge

[4]     From:   David Bishop <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
        Date:   Thursday, 27 Apr 2000 15:53:07 -0400
        Subj:   Re: SHK 11.0916 Re: Revenge


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From:           Jim Lusardi <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Thursday, 27 Apr 2000 10:55:40 -0400
Subject: 11.0916 Re: Revenge
Comment:        Re: SHK 11.0916 Re: Revenge

For suggestive distinctions concerning the concept of revenge in
Shakespeare's time, see Harry Keyishian, The Shapes of Revenge:
Victimization, Vengeance, and Vindictiveness in Shakespeare, Atlantic
Highlands, NJ:  Humanities Press, 1995.

Jim Lusardi

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From:           Sean Lawrence <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date:           Thursday, 27 Apr 2000 09:36:02 -0700
Subject: 11.0916 Re: Revenge
Comment:        Re: SHK 11.0916 Re: Revenge

Hi, Tony.

I don't think the issue is quite cut and dried.  After all, a lot of
people-families of victims, fans of capital punishment-still cry for
'justice' when they mean 'revenge'.  This doesn't mean that there's no
conceptual difference, only that the moral and rhetorical force of
justice can be appropriated by mere vengefulness, especially in very
emotional circumstances.  In any case, I'm not sure that the distinction
can be worked out empirically, by listing how people used (and abused)
the terms.  Even those now who occasionally conflate justice and revenge
still grasp that there is a distinction, at least at a conceptual level.

By the way, Bacon's description of revenge as "a kind of wild justice"
seems to be acted out in Romeo and Juliet.  In the debate which
concludes 3.1, the two warring parties clearly hold revenge to be
synonymous with justice, in which case Romeo's "fault concludes but what
the law should end, / The life of Tybalt" or, conversely, "Romeo slew
Tybalt, Romeo must not live".  The Prince, on the other hand, seems to
punish Romeo as much for the assumption of the role of justicer as for
the actual act of murder.  At least legally, and at least in a largely
fictionalized Verona, revenge was not simply equivalent to justice.

Cheers,
Se


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